THE WARNERS ARE BACK

Dear Editor

You have published our expedition data in the past and we would like your support in helping us make this important announcement as we are on the verge of proving two major zoological /crypto zoological discoveries.

The video link below will show Mike Warner announcing our Funding Campaign for our return ground expedition to sites 1 & 2 in the Peruvian Amazon and releases extraordinary information which has never been made public before today.

Mike has also decided to make a series of full disclosure videos to support his claims.

The "Scientists" link below will show new support for our theories as they accelerate their support for our project and offer resources and training for the expedition.

http://www.bigsnakes.net/Scientists.htm







Direct Links to Main Site:

www.bigsnakes.net
http://www.bigsnakes.net/donate.htm





Thank you for your support!

Mike & Greg Warner
Warner Amazon Expedition

25th August 2010

NEW CLAIMS FROM THE WARNERS

Dear Friends

We'd like to introduce you to Site 2, the preparation and execution of our expedition to Hamburgo Lake deep into the Pacaya Samaria Reserve in the Peruvian Amazon.

During this stage our expedition we retraced the steps of 2 explorers from over 100 years ago; Franz Herman Schmidt & Rudolf Phleng.

The link below will take you to videos of the lake survey, pre-flight preparations and some supporting data that suggests that the South American Dragon may still exist (look for the circular wallows that Schmidt & Phleng described and the floating caused by animal activity on the banks of the lake):

http://www.bigsnakes.net/site_2_dragon.htm


Kind regards

Mike & Greg Warner
24th June 2010

MORE FROM THE WARNERS

Dear Friends/Editors/Producers/Scientists

Today we received an email from Will Elliott of Watford, Hertfordshire (UK). Will has been doing some of his own research (photographic) on the now famous photos from our Warner Amazon Expedition last year. He, and others like him, are the reason we chose to publish our data extensively on our web site (bigsnakes.net).

Will Elliott has found what looks like an eye on photo 317. Given that we already knew we had a photo of Yacumama (Black boa/Minhocão) it does not surprise us but it might change the opinions of a few sceptics still out there.

The eye, its shape, size and position on the head beneath the postocular ridge are all in proportion and in keeping with the contemporaneous data we have compiled e.g. 'Eyes as big as saucers' or 'search lights' (think Amazon boat).

We estimate the size of the eye to be between 8 & 10 inches in diameter on a head that is c. 6 feet wide above water.

Let’s be clear; we don't know Will and have never communicated before today.

Will's correspondence to us and the description of his methods are at the bottom of this page with a commentary from Professor Ian Montgomery, Head of Biological Science's, Queens University, Belfast.

Please follow the link below to see all the images and correspondence:

http://www.bigsnakes.net/the_eye.htm

THE WARNERS ARE BACK

Dear Editor


In November last year we reported on, and supplied photographs of, a giant snake event in near the jungle city of Iquitos Peru. The photographs we commissioned showed a trail at least 5 meters wide and now we have located video evidence to support our photos and eye-witness accounts.The video is in Spanish but we have had our contact in the Amazon supply a full translation. This is clearly further evidence that the Black Boa, Yacumama, Sachamama and the Minhocao are one and the same animal. All contemporaneous description and photographic evidence points to this conclusion.Please follow the link below which will direct your readers to this new information.

http://www.bigsnakes.net/Research.htm

As your readers will know, we have been in discussions with selected TV Production companies and Broadcasters with the aim of supporting our return to the Amazon this year for a ground expedition is search of conclusive evidence including DNA to prove that this snake is a species previously unknown to science.

Although we still remain hopeful we received a setback last week when National Geographic International (who took an interest in our project) became concerned about the risks involved in the return expedition. Please see the correspondence below. We will continue to keep you posted on our progress:
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Re: Yacumama & the South American Dragon Submission‏
From:
Mark xxxx (mxxxxx@ngs.org)
Sent:
30 March 2010 19:12:17
To:
G Warner (warnergreg@xxxxxxxx.com)
Cc:
Dianaxxxxxx (delxxxxx@ngs.org)
Dear Greg,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you on this but we reviewed the materials from Firecracker Films regarding Yacumama. It is an exciting and intriguing story for sure. While we did like the father/son dynamic, NGCI...feel that there is a bit of risk associated with a program of this nature. Also, upon further evaluation of our current and future programming, we don't have a strong need for a one-off of this nature at this time. Our primary need is for series.

That being said, we'd be happy to take a look once again when the project is completed.

All the best in your journey to find the Yacumama!
Best Regards,
Mark
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Kind regards

Mike & Greg Warner
Warner Amazon Expedition

MIKE AND GREG WARNER: Major Minhocao/Yacumama Event November 2009

Hi Jon

Here is the report we promised of the giant snake event at Juan Pablo, last month. The full report and photos can be found on our site where we have just finished publishing this important event.

AH Juan Pablo Event November 2009, Iquitos, Peru

This news was received from our friend and co-researcher in the Amazon on the Friday 13th November! We sent him in the next day to get first hand photos and eye-witness accounts of the event from the locals in the settlement of AH Juan Pablo on the edge of the jungle city of Iquitos (where our expedition base was in March 2009). This event took place only 1.3KM from the Moronococha event which we reported in June 2009 where a giant black boa dragged a floating island across a lake to destroy a house (on stilts). This gives the evidence provenance.
The Moronocha account can also be found on this page.

We have already published our connection between the Sachamama (mother of the earth), Yacumama (mother of the water) and the Minochao stating that we believe these all to be the same animal, a giant black snake, known for its burrowing behaviour and propensity to leave large channels and trenches in its habitat.

It turned out that the photographers from El Popular newspaper went in the day of the event (which was 5 days before the publishing date) and we were able to obtain their photos and add to them to those we commissioned privately 3 days later on Monday 16th November.
We believe that this is the first time that a Minhocao 'trench' has been photographed and released to the world.

The story started here:

El Popular Newspaper, Iquitos, Amazon, Peru 13th November 2009 (TRANSLATION)

GIANT BOA FRIGHTENS VILLAGERS

"Dwellers are afraid at AH Juan Pablo de la Luz in the district of San Juan Buastista, because they are sure that a giant boa is round the area.

When heavy rains were falling, the neighbours said they heard sounds similar to those of a tractor, but no one dared to leave their house to see what it was.

In the morning there was a track 20 meters long and 5 wide, enough proof for the people of the presence of a boa who now fear for their lives."



AH Juan Pablo

Photo 1, Day1:
The snake comes up from the ground in a grass field on the edge of the settlement.

For the full report and all the photos follow the link below:

http://www.bigsnakes.net/Research.htm

"The Giant Anaconda & Other Inland Sea Serpents" chapter 13 of Bernard Heuvelmans "On the Track of Unknown Animals" Bernard Heuvelmans makes many references to similar events that were witnessed at AH Juan Pablo. Some of these include:

Fritz Muller (1821-1897)
Francisco de Amaral Varella
Friedrich Kelling
Emil Odebrecht
Antonio Jose Branco (early 1860s)

The last report we can find of such an event is in the early 1960s.

Regards


Mike & Greg Warner

December 3rd, 2009

MORE FROM MIKE AND GREG WARNER

Hi Jon,

My Dad & I wanted to share this report we just received from our contact in the Peruvian Amazon.

This report fits with the burrowing behaviour, 'trenches' and 'channels' we associate with the Black Boa / Minhocao / Yacumama / Sachamama of the Amazon, which we believe are all the same animal: a giant snake.

You can find similar reports of these 'trenches' created by the Minhocao in BH's On the Track of Unknown Animals page 360 (in our edition).

The last report we can find of such an event is in the early 1960s.

Follow the link below for the full story.

http://www.bigsnakes.net/Research.htm

Kind regards,

Mike & Greg Warner

MORE FROM MIKE AND GREG

Greg Warner has written to me again:

"Mike & Greg Warner make an important breakthrough with their photographic evidence and some important pieces of the puzzle begin to fit"



The video should be used in conjuntion with the photographs referred to in the 'research file' found at http://www.bigsnakes.net/Research.htm

I have never made a secret of the fact that I am unimpressed with the Warners' findings, and don't think that they add anything to the canon of cryptozoological research. However, unlike other people that we might mention, the CFZ have always attempted to behave in a gentlemanly (ad ladylike) manner, and so we do them the courtesy of giving them a platform from which to speak.

However, the claim that their Amazon expedition is "The Search for Yacumama & Mokele-mbembe" is somewhat confusing as is the fact that they are posting pictures of the sirrush of the Ishtar Gate. I think that Mike and Greg are in danger of losing sight of their original objectives in a wallage of misplaced over-enthusiasm.

THE LATEST RESULTS FROM THE PERUVIAN `GIANT SNAKE` EXPEDITION

Hi Jon,

After a long dialogue with the scientists analysing our expedition data (Professors Paul LeBlond & Ian Montgomery) we now have received their comments in full and have today published them for the first time.

Here is a link to their comments and scientific analysis, released to CFZ first as I know you and your bloggo community were keen to read them.

http://www.bigsnakes.net/Scientists.htm

Kind regards

Mike & Greg Warner
17th September 2009

FINALLY MIKE AND GREG WARNER RELEASE SOME FILM FROM THEIR EXPEDITION TO PERU IN SEARCH OF GIANT SNAKES

LATEST DEVELOPMENTS IN THE SAGA OF THE PERUVIAN GIANT SNAKE..

Greg and Mike Warner have contacted noted herpetologist and TV Presenter Mark O'Shea; a man for whom we have the highest regard. He is unconvinced but has asked to see the rest of the evidence that the Warners have ammassed. Greg and Mike will be posting a video presentation of their results on YouTube later today and we shall be streaming it here on the bloggo. In the meantime, here on CFZtv, these are Richard Freeman's comments on the events so far..

PERUVIAN "GIANT SNAKE" PICTURES RELEASED THROUGH THE CFZ BLOGGO

After a week of negotiations with Mike and Greg Warner, the CFZ has the exclusive rights to release all the pictures from their Peruvian expedition.

Greg sent these with the following message: "These are the two shots we got that we believe is Yacumama or giant anaconda. It looks like the head to me and part of the body surfacing at the other side of the channel."

Unfortunately, although Richard and I have examined all the pictures in depth, and have spent a long time discussing the matter both by telephone and e-mail with Greg, we disagree completely with their conclusions and believe that these pictures show nothing more than a natural formation of mud or sand.

However, at this point, may we say that we are not for a moment doubting Greg and Mike's sincerity.

They appear to be very nice people who have worked very hard, and have always been open and honest with us. We, too, have always tried to behave like gentlemen, and the whole affair has been conducted in a scientific and civilised manner.

We are surprised that over the last week or so as this story has broken, that we were the only cryptozoological website to give them the courtesy of examining their evidence. Indeed we were the only cryptozoological website to bother covering this story. When you think of the torrents of press such ridiculous claims as last year's Georgia bigfoot, the two Montauk Monsters, and this year's ludicrous Quatari goblin got, I find this highly peculiar. In fact, I don't understand it at all.

When we first saw these photographs, Richard wrote to Greg:

Dear Greg

Thank you for sending over the photographs and co-ordinates.

I have spent the morning looking over them. I said that I would be totally honest in my assessment, and I will be.

I can see nothing in any of these photographs to indicate a giant snake. The picture of the creature's head with another part of the body protruding out of the water further on, looks to me like a sandbank or lump of mud. It, to my eyes at least, does not resemble a snake. Perhaps if the image had been sharper it may have revealed more.

The toppled trees and areas of destruction look like rain damage. Rainforest trees are notoriously shallow-rooted and easily ripped up by floods.

There may well be huge snakes in the area, indeed I believe that the green anaconda gets far larger than we imagine. However, I can't conceive of us getting funding for a second expedition on the back of these pictures. I'm sorry to sound so negative but I have to be honest. There are far more disappointments in cryptozoology than there are triumphs.

I wish you the best of luck with any further endeavours you embark upon.

Yours

Richard

Greg wrote back:

Hi Richard/Jon

I appreciate the time you spent on this even though I can’t accept ‘looks like a sandbank’ as an informed answer. There is no sand as this area is heavily flooded as you can see almost to the top of some trees.

To be honest, I was hoping for something more scientific with an analysis and opinion on all the evidence supplied to you but I respect your opinion and believe that you are sincere.
You guys have been fair with us so I want to offer you the same courtesy and keep to our deal.
It’s time to put this to the court of public opinion so my father has agreed to let you publish all the data we sent you on the condition that it is presented as our data (Mike Warner & Greg Warner) without subjective opinions from either party and it is presented in full (all the images we supplied with annotations also). Let people decide for themselves.

There are still questions that need answered and someone out there may have some interesting views on the matter:

• What happened in Nueva Tacna?
• Why are all these ‘major and ‘minor’ interconnecting channels running through the area?
• What is this creature if it moves on video and disappears from the channel if it isn’t a reptile?
• What happened in Morona Cocha last week when the “Black Boa” destroyed a house on the lake?
• What is this shape in the middle of the area on Google, coincidence?
• Why do the locals persist with accounts of the Yacumama in the area?
• The evidence we supplied is only a sample of what we have but it is a start.
  

We give your permission place these all the material on your CFZ site. I also, suggest that you copy our email correspondence also so that there is full transparency.

Please ensure all private information like email addresses and telephone numbers are deleted please. If anyone wants to contact us then they can do it through CFZ. We are continuing our work in the area and are sending someone to interview villagers in the settlements of Morona Cocha although we must make it clear that we do not believe this is the same creature from the Napo/Amazon.

Ultimately, we would like to go back to the Napo/Amazon and survey the area more, with better equipment and a helicopter rather than a Cesna but we’ll see how things pan out.

Kind regards

Greg & Mike

We will be releasing all the rest of the material over the next few days, and invite the bloggo readership to submit their opinions. This, we believe, is one of the first times that an expedition's findings are going to be laid open to public scrutiny in this matter, and we hope that Greg and Mike's gentlemanly behaviour will be reciprocated by anyone who cares to join in the debate.